Comments on: My quick handicapping of Democratic at-risk Senate races in 2014.

By: Moe_Lane

Moe_Lane — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:15:18 +0000

All right, people, settle down. Dishonors are even.

By: jetty

jetty — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:06:00 +0000

You have made my point. You just had to attack me personally with your condescending, arrogant remarks. This is what The Party of Stupid excels at – attacking their own on the right. Then you scratch your heads in disbelief over low turnout and why some on the right tune out. You have a wonderful career waiting for you as a GOP campaign manager.

By: acat

acat — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 04:12:30 +0000

jetty, jetty, jetty.
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1) Your use of Franken as an example of “GOP fail!” is inaccurate. Coleman was an incumbent Franken barely beat in 2006 in a wave. This is not at all the same scenario you describe. Your assertion fails to convince.
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2) The average american, who thought #OWS was a good thing, and who voted for Obama, may well think this was a blowout .. this tells me the average american has some very wrong ideas, but .. that’s not news.
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3) The media is in *decline*. This just gets better for conservatives with half a brain. Yes, they’re still a force, where did I say otherwise? Put the straw man away, and either argue the point or get over yourself.
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4) Where the (copulation) did you get the idea I like the losers’ gallery you named? Seriously, did I mention *any* of the gutless D.C. wing of the GOP in a positive light? Ever?
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You calling me arrogant, when you’ve cited jack nor {excrement] to disprove my points, is hilarious, jetty.. You’ve asserted a lot, not the same thing, words still have meanings.
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Let me ask you a question, jetty. What is your *plan*? Mine is to look at where we lost – low information voters tuned out during the GOP primary and *never* tuned back in – and try to figure out how to fix it. What’s yours? Sounds like calling names and crying over lost opportunities.
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Mew

By: blanchelincoln

blanchelincoln — Sun, 18 Nov 2012 19:41:32 +0000

Any suggestions? Perhaps run Ken Buck again? I guess it all depends on whether they’d like to start winning elections again or stay on the same course and keep electing folks like Hickenlooper and Michael Bennet.
The Colorado GOP is a disaster. It hasn’t won a statewide race for President, Governor or the U.S. Senate since 2004. It just lost the state House again after only two years. Maybe there’s a message in there somewhere. Or keep nominating poorly-vetted “non establishment” types that turn off swing voters who would be normally inclined to vote Republican.

By: nighttwister

nighttwister — Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:48:57 +0000

Right on cue. Norton does NOT hate conservatives. I’m a strong social conservative, and I supported Norton over Buck. Norton would’ve won, btw. As for “TEA Party”, what started out as a great thing has turned into a horrendous mess.

Maybe the Republican Party in Colorado will figure it out in the next 20 years or so, but I’m not going to hold my breath. We eat our own here at least as much as anywhere else.

By: jetty

jetty — Sun, 18 Nov 2012 12:12:06 +0000

1. Franken votes in the Senate, the place where the Ds outnumber the Rs 55-45. He counts.

2. Obama won the EV 332-206. People on the right were predicting a Romney “landslide” by a lesser margin. And when the average American looks at that result, he/she doesn’t think “squeaker”.

3/4 More coverage was given to Big Bird than Benghazi by the MSM. The MSM also marginalized every story that would have made Obama look bad. No, it’s not as powerful as it once was, but it definitely helped Obama. And OBAMA won. All of us smart people on the right felt like we took a kick to the groin on November 6th. Your arrogance, acat, is what contributed to the loss.

4. Mia Love and Alen West lost as well, among others. Find your dream candidates and keep surrounding them with losers like Matt Rhoades, Steve Schmidt and Karl Rove types. Then kiss the above list goodbye, because the GOP doesn’t understand how to win elections.

By: acat

acat — Sun, 18 Nov 2012 02:03:31 +0000

@blanchelincoln – it is *precisely* now that we must work, if we want to make a difference.
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Let’s be blunt. We’re pebbles. No, we’re not even pebbles .. Moe may be a pebble. I’m a mere grain of sand the political machine.
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If we wait until the primaries to get involved, as the saying goes, “The avalanche has begun, the pebbles do not get a vote.”
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If we want to make a difference, the time is now.
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Mew

By: acat

acat — Sun, 18 Nov 2012 01:18:34 +0000

1) Coleman lost in the stolen re-counts in a wave year. Franken does not count.
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2) Obama did not win “by a landslide”, he received *fewer* votes than in 2008, and *fewer* electoral college delegates than 2008. That is a *squeaker* by most definitions, jetty.
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3) Anyone who believe the influence of the mainstream media is as strong today as it was in 1977 (Ford Pintos don’t explode on impact) or 1993 (Chevy truck fuel tanks don’t explode either) or 2004 (Rathergate) .. is smoking something.
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Further, rather than repair the impartial reputation that a generation of reporters earned, the media are doubling down with their decided lack of curiosity around Benghazi, Fast & Furious, political allocation of TARP dollars, etc. etc.
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The echo chamber, jetty, is in the media newsrooms, down the hall on the left.
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4) Dream on.
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As for “beating the other side at their own game”, *which* game do you mean, the one where 100% of the voters in a given district showed up for Obama, or the one where a squeaker is a mandate, or the one where a dead ambassador or arming a foreign crime syndicate isn’t a casus belli?
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Mew

By: jetty

jetty — Sat, 17 Nov 2012 23:24:36 +0000

1. When the left can run, and win, with the likes of Franken and Warren (or insert any number of unattractive, gaffe prone liberals here), then the issue on the right is not so much the quality of its candidates. The right should be able to win with, or at least compete, with nincompoops like Akin and O’Donell. But the right pours toxic waste on them and then pats themselves on the back after election day saying “See, we told you they couldn’t win.” The left doesn’t do that.
2. From accounts on this site and others, it seemed like there was a level playing field in terms of money. Yet Romney received a million votes less than McCain. And Obama, despite his pathetic record, won by a landslide. “Better candidates” is the main issue? How about how to win an election?
3. Anyone that underrates the influence of the mainstream media is a moron. Conservatives are in an echo chamber, as the right-side of the blogosphere was saying Romney landslide (me included) and the rest of the friggin’ world was saying that Obama was going to win.
4. The right could have cloned 100 Reagans and ran them up and down the ticket, and the result would have been the same.
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So, keep dreaming of Marco Rubio and perfect candidates to win the Senate and the WH, and keep losing. Or beat the other side at its own game. After this election, it seems obvious what course needs to be taken.

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By: Finrod

Finrod — Sat, 17 Nov 2012 21:57:49 +0000

Please explain how retaining control of the House, increasing control of statehouses, and increasing the number of GOP governors makes this anything but a divided election, jetty?

By: Finrod

Finrod — Sat, 17 Nov 2012 21:52:03 +0000

Everything you just said, acat. Every Republican candidate for national office has to remember that the national media can and will kneecap them for saying something foolish, and they will not do that to their opponent. That’s the lay of the land in which we fight, and anyone who doesn’t take that into account is a fool and has no business running for national office.