Because it’d be probably easy just to list those.
Another four car makers have joined the list of those whose diesel cars emit more pollution on the road than in regulatory tests, the issue that has created a massive scandal and major recall for Germany’s Volkswagen, the Guardian reported Friday.
So here’s the list, according to that article:
- Citroen
- Fiat
- Honda
- Hyundai
- Jeep
- Mazda
- Mercedes-Benz
- Mitsubishi
- Nissan
- Renault
- Volkswagen
- Volvo
Which suggests a more systematic problem, there. Which is probably why the Guardian took a less harsh tone in its article than one might expect; it is in the best interest of the Left to downplay the fact that nobody can pass its ever-more-stringent pollution controls. One backslider is fine; a dozen suggests that there’s an underlying systemic problem.
You mean the European regulatory state can’t come out directly and say “no, we really don’t want anyone to drive any cars” yet?
You mean they haven’t?
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Mew
Heh. I was .. wondering .. how widespread this would really be.
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Engineers talk, y’know, and .. what one group does, another will try to improve on.
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Interesting that there are no American nameplates in there .. wonder how long that’ll last…
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Mew
Isn’t Jeep a US brand? Chrysler I thought.
Which is owned by Fiat.
AKA Fix It Again, Tony.
I did miss Jeep on the list, somehow.
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That said .. I was not aware Jeep had expanded on AMC’s policy – see Beautiful Poway’s post below.
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Mew
An engineer who lies about one thing may lie about another, and our culture also pushes them into lies. Probably among those is the idea that emissions are comparable in human welfare cost to unsafe steering geometry.
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There may be a smaller American eco-nut market for diesel. American engineers may be more scared of the feds.
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Fiat Chrysler has engineering in both Italy and the US.
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I do not care for technical fraud, and would want to investigate before I had any certainty.
I seem to recall that the US diesel laws have a different set of emissions standards than the European ones do. It’ possible that they simply don’t need those tricks to pass them.
I do know diesels aren’t terribly popular over here outside of trucks.
Because of the NOx standards that got VW into trouble recently, US automakers never were big on passenger diesels. European standards are (even now) far less stringent on that count, and diesels get great fuel economy (which, when you have to pay Euro gas taxes, is rather important), so they’re much more popular there.
Great list! Notably missing are BMW and Ford. I wonder if the testing just hasn’t caught up with them yet?
TTBOMK The engine used in the diesel Jeep Grand Cherokee is from a Fiat-GMC joint venture (it was supposed to go in a Cadillac). GM bailed out and so it is all on Fiat at this point. And yes, I would expect Fiat to be as cheaty as the best. I have not looked to see what diesel they put in other Jeeps. Previous ones have been sourced from M-B.